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posted by: DIARYofMIZmanic (reply) post date: 09.11.04 (1:12 pm) Well i would have to disagree with you on many things. Religion is not a passtime of mine, its more of an enemy. Plus i believe tha women should have the choice to chose to kill the thing withthemselves or not. It may not be right, but its not right either for others to beable to decide for them posted by: therealspartacus007 (reply) post date: 09.11.04 (1:55 pm) I'm a lot like DIARY, as are most Americans, and probably you as well. 'Pro-Choose-Life' posted by: faith82 (reply) post date: 09.11.04 (2:01 pm) I agree with you actually. It doesn't even take a religious person to view an unborn baby as a separate life that has begun in a mother's womb. Here's what I don't get: people go on and on about protecting the rights of animals (which I wholeheartedly agree with, don't get me wrong), yet at the same time think the life of an unborn child is something that can be cut off at any given time. Doesn't add up, IMO... posted by: Misguided (reply) post date: 09.11.04 (2:21 pm) hmm i disagree cause if u r forced 2 have sex and then become pregnant how is that a gift from god!! posted by: CrazyBeautiful3 (reply) post date: 09.11.04 (2:47 pm) what happens when a 12 year old girl is raped and gets knocked up? she's 12 years old, should she really have to go through that? i don't belive she should. so i disagree. i think it's ok, and it's every womens own choice to make. but think about this if your 12 year old doaugher did get raped and that happend would you really want her to have to carry that chid when she is still a child herself, and in her ind she would know that the child inside her is by somone who isn't good. think about it? posted by: blubell (reply) post date: 09.11.04 (3:36 pm) Reply to: DIARYofMIZmanic women should have a choice to kill the thing within themselves? you're saying it's okay to kill a baby? how is it okay to kill a baby? what if i went out right now and cut a day-old babies head off? i'd be put in jail! (as i should be) as soon as the sperm hits the egg, a baby is created. that baby could be the inventer of the cure of cancer. no, it's not right for others to be able to decide for you wat's going to happen to you. so who exactly is chosing this baby's fate? is it the baby? posted by: blubell (reply) post date: 09.11.04 (3:37 pm) Reply to: therealspartacus007 i'm all for not murdering. that's wat abortion is. murder. it's a human life! posted by: blubell (reply) post date: 09.11.04 (3:39 pm) Reply to: faith82 that's so right. like when there's something on the news about animals getting mistreated and put in a shelter, so everyone's sending in money, and begging to adopt this precious little puppy, when there's a 12-year-old who gets raped and has to kill her baby!! where's the supports saying that they'll adopt this baby? posted by: blubell (reply) post date: 09.11.04 (3:40 pm) Reply to: Misguided i like your name, misguided, it fits very well... posted by: blubell (reply) post date: 09.11.04 (3:43 pm) Reply to: CrazyBeautiful3 she doesn't have to keep the baby, love the baby, or not hate the man who did that to her. it's not the girl's fault that it happened. but it's definately not the baby's fault, and it shouldn't die b/c of a man who should face a fate worse than death. btw, if i had a 12 year old daughter, i'd of had her when i was 4... posted by: CrazyBeautiful3 (reply) post date: 09.11.04 (4:31 pm) you should put a 12 year old girl through that. she's 12 for crying out loud. her body isn't ment for that yet. so again she shouldn't have to go through that. it puts her mind in a bad place becasue she went through it. it's tramtising. you don't understand that. so yes she should get an aportion i'm sorry, but that's the thruth. i know your faith may say it's wrong, but it's wrong to put young girl through carring a child that there bodys can't handle. posted by: therealspartacus007 (reply) post date: 09.11.04 (4:33 pm) Reply to: blubell Just because its killing human life does not mean it is murder and does not mean its killing a person. Its about property rights. The woman owns her womb. She doesn't have to let anyone or anything live there. Unfortunatly, abortion is usually the only way to get it out. Don't get me wrong- I find abortion disgusting and I encourage all to do their best to find other options, like adoption and contraception. But legally, it should be allowed? posted by: CrazyBeautiful3 (reply) post date: 09.11.04 (4:35 pm) here's another thing, it's unborn, it has no feeling and no rea life until it is born. so there for you are not really killing anything. posted by: CrazyBeautiful3 (reply) post date: 09.11.04 (4:36 pm) Reply to: Misguided I'm on your side with this all the way. posted by: blubell (reply) post date: 09.11.04 (4:41 pm) Reply to: CrazyBeautiful3 how is it less tramatizing to have someone reach into her body and pull out and kill something that her body thinks it should nurture and protect? posted by: blubell (reply) post date: 09.11.04 (4:54 pm) Reply to: therealspartacus007 the definition for murder is: to kill (another human) unlawfully to kill brutally or inhumanly to put an end to to spoil by ineptness; mutilate you're right, a woman does own her womb, but not wat's living inside it. that innocent baby is a human life, and it is a person! posted by: blubell (reply) post date: 09.11.04 (4:57 pm) Reply to: CrazyBeautiful3 you ask anyone that works in a hospital, the professionals that deal with pregnant women--what are they called?--and they'll tell you that life starts the second the egg is fertalized. posted by: blubell (reply) post date: 09.11.04 (4:58 pm) here's another good definition: a crime committed purposely, knowingly, and recklessly with extreme indifference to human life posted by: blubell (reply) post date: 09.11.04 (5:00 pm) here's some good quotes about murder: The killing of their children had, in the account of God, the guilt of murder, as the offering them to idols had the guilt of idolatry. --Locke. Slaughter grows murder when it goes too far. --Dryden. Note: Murder in the second degree, in most jurisdictions, is a malicious homicide committed without a specific intention to take life. --Wharton. posted by: therealspartacus007 (reply) post date: 09.11.04 (5:04 pm) Reply to: blubell Those aren't the legal definitions of murder. Only late terms abortions deal with what may possibly be considered a person. No, she doesn't own the baby. She owns her womb. Its the same legal principle as being able to shoot trespassers. posted by: therealspartacus007 (reply) post date: 09.11.04 (5:07 pm) Reply to: blubell There's a difference between 'human life' and a 'person.' Snot is human life. Its alive, and its human. There's no magical second that a fetus becomes a person. Its a continum that varies with different development patterns that are unique to each individual pregnancy. The judge of the morality of the situation should be the people involved, not a congressperson a thousand miles away. I don't have any problem with people campaigning against abortion. Late terms abortions are absolutely disgusting, and horribly wrong in almost any circumstance. Its only when they start to call things murder that aren't murder and try to pass laws limiting someone's control of their own body that I complain. posted by: blubell (reply) post date: 09.11.04 (6:23 pm) to each his own. i--and, i believe, God--think that abortion is killing a human being and is a horrible, horrible, crime. you believe that a woman can kill a child that's growing inside her just because she doesn't want it. (i understand that u can also say a rape victim, but u ignore some points i make, i'll ignore some of yours :) ) anyway, it's getting late her, and i've got homework that i've got to do, and i've got to practice my clairinet, so you can have the last word, as bill o'reilly would say... posted by: AsatruViking (reply) post date: 09.12.04 (12:54 am) blu bell you are so um a child. i've had 10 children. you reveled your age that you are 16. i dont think you have any prior experience with rearing or caring for a baby. unless you go through rape, incest or unwanted preagnacy you have no clue WHAT SO EVER what abortion is!. i have been raped, but i was rape to prove a religious point so says the christians that own a church down the road from my asatru elder troth. i was 17 and one of the alter boys and his mates caught me while i was feeding my emus and over and over again they raped me till i was unconsious. i got preagnant already having 1 daughter i could not handle having a baby to a rapist and subjecting the fetus in my womb to the torture of having a rapist of a father. so i had the abortion, and trust me i was not laughing about it, i was frightened. i'd had a baby, id reared and carried it feeling proud and full of love, but i did not love this fetus inside of me even though it was only 4 weeks i knew what it could be, i had a slight hate towad it but that was hormones that i could not control. i went into a deep depession over the abortion and going to court to put these boys into jail. only 3 of them went to jail but only for 12 months. i tried a various amount of ways to kill myself untill my daughter came into the room on her walkie, then i realised i should stay because my baby needed me and i needed her. so now i have ten children that i love heaps. my daughters 13 now and already 5ft 11, i fear she will be taller than be and beat me up. but anyway unless you have gone through you do not know anything about abortion and it should not be mentioned along with the topic of the christian god it has nothing to do with abortion your an inexperienced 16 year old. posted by: CrazyBeautiful3 (reply) post date: 09.12.04 (3:25 pm) Reply to: blubell it's has not breathed air on it's own. it's the size of a pea. sorry but the truth of the matter is that abortion is ok. relgion needs to stay out of it. think of thing logically don't let god decide for you. one of my friends got knocked up(from rape) and her mom made her carry the baby and she was 14, she gave the baby up and all, but her head is still all messed up. it would have been less messed up if she didn't have to go throwing giving brith. sorry but knowing someone and eeing it happen. it's ok to have an abortion. posted by: CrazyBeautiful3 (reply) post date: 09.12.04 (3:27 pm) Reply to: blubell it is hers and that "life" inside her is also hers as long as it's still in her. she owns it even when it pops out. killing it after it has been born is wrong. but when it can not breath and has no emtion or real feelings then fine. i hate this but in more ways then one you are wrong. i'm a very stuporn person. on on a matter when i know what i'm talking about i will push this. you are wrong!!!!!! posted by: reducto (reply) post date: 09.13.04 (8:42 pm) Reply to: DIARYofMIZmanic The point is not about someone being able to decide for someone else.. The point is how abortion is, whether you or someone else makes the decisions, morally and scientifically a killing, a murder. Take religion out of it, abortion is still murder. It ends a life. It prevents a life from living. Or as you refer to it, a "thing". If you have sex you should be prepared for the consequences of your actions. Children are the chief function of sex. Once you get that drilled into your head, then you *might* come back from the brink. Almost 50 million human beings have been killed since Roe v. Wade in 1973. All under the guise of a "right" women have to kill other humans. posted by: reducto (reply) post date: 09.13.04 (8:44 pm) Reply to: CrazyBeautiful3 So the fact that it depends on its mother to live is a good reason to abort it? The fact that it is the size of a pea means it has no dignity? We were all dependent on our mothers to breathe, we were all the size of a pea. This is not a different class of people. BABIES ARE NOT SECOND-CLASS CITIZENS. You must enjoy life. Why do you feel you have the right to deny it to someone else. posted by: CrazyBeautiful3 (reply) post date: 09.14.04 (3:17 pm) Reply to: reducto oh my goodness!!!!! this is so stupid why can't you see that it's ok for women to have abortions. PEOPLE, IT'S OK. NO ONE IS DOING ANYTHING WRONG. YOU ARE NOT KILLING SOMEONE. SORRY IF YOU ALL SEEM TO THINK SO, BUT YOU AINT. GET OVER IT!!!! IT'S NOT MURDER. NOPE, NOT EVEN CLOSE. GET OVER IT. IT'S FINE, NO BIG DEAL. IF YOU DON'T WAT TO DO IT TO YOURSELF, FINE NO ONE IS STOPPING YOU FRO HAVING A BABY. BUT FOR THOSE WHO ARE RAPED, OR 12 YEAR OLD GIRL WHO ARE RAPED IT'S FINE!!!!!!!! SO GET OVER IT AD DON'T PREACH TO PEOPLE HOW WRONG IT IS, IT'S NOT!!!!! |
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